Chinese Shtil chainsaws: everything you need to know before buying

In connection with the beginning of the construction and firewood harvesting season in the CIS, a huge mass of chainsaws of dubious quality arrived from China, or rather completely *ovno. The author of this article purchased one such copy.

Everything would be fine, a cheap, working chainsaw is better than no chainsaw at all, but these chainsaws are counterfeited by well-known brands and sold at very inflated prices. The situation is very similar to the one that arose with Chinese iPhones. But even if you buy this “thing” at a low price, it won’t be of much use.

The STIHL MS 660 is a victim of counterfeits from China, a very reliable and well-built saw, but it is losing its reputation due to scammers offering counterfeits en masse.

The photo shows the original.

Chinese version

Chinese Calm 660 is very different from the original in technical characteristics and appearance.
An experienced craftsman will determine at first glance that this is a fake.

For those who do not understand gas tools, we recommend immediately paying attention to such details as:

The starter housing is clearly different from the original;
The oil and fuel tank caps, in the original saw, are made to fit a combination screwdriver, which should be supplied with the saw. In the Chinese version, the lids are convex and unsightly;
An air filter cover, the screw of which is located on the top, and not on the back, like the real Shtil 660;
The original saw always comes with a proprietary instruction manual.
Although the colors of the fakes imitate the real ones, they are still not so bright and beautiful.

User manual

The instruction manual contains complete information about the tool and introduces the new owner of the saw to the features of its use and operating techniques.

The instructions consist of the following sections:

The device of the petrol saw “Shtil” MS-660.
Requirements for safe operation and maintenance of Stihl chain saws.
Table of technical characteristics of the MS-660 model.
Preparing the saw for the first start.
Features of the running-in period.
Chainsaw maintenance.
Table of faults, their causes and solutions.

Review of popular models

Among amateur or farm chainsaw models, the STIHL MS 180 is in high demand. It weighs only 3.9 kg and is very easy to handle. It is used with guide bars 35 and 40 cm long. The engine power of 1.5 kW with a volume of 1.38 cm 3 allows the saw to be used for gardening, harvesting firewood, and cutting building materials. It has ergonomic handles with anti-vibration inserts, an automatic chain lubrication system, and an inertia brake that protects the operator from kickback.

Improved saws are equipped with an easier starting system, a simplified chain tensioning device without the use of additional tools, and an improved tank design.

Another popular household model is the STIHL MS 250, which in its characteristics is close to the semi-professional class. It weighs 4.6 kg, but with an engine volume of 45.4 cm 3 it develops a power of 2.3 kW. The saw is equipped with a 35 or 40 cm bar. It can be used with equal success for trimming dry branches in the garden and for cutting medium-diameter logs. It is equipped with a vibration absorption system and an inertia brake. It has convenient controls, simplified chain tension adjustment, and economical fuel and oil consumption.

First start

Starting a gasoline saw is carried out on a fairly wide area, cleared of debris and foreign objects. The following procedure is recommended:

activate the chain brake by moving it towards the guide bar;
press the decompression valve button;
by pressing the primer cap several times, direct the fuel from the tank to the carburetor;
move the universal control knob towards the cold start mark;
pressing the rear handle of the saw with your right foot and holding it by the front handle with your left hand, make several intense movements, pulling the starter handle;
after several strokes of engine operation, it will spontaneously stall;
turn the control lever to the middle position;
by pulling the starter cable, get the engine to start, then immediately press the gas lever to the limit;
Having returned the brake flap to its normal position, you can begin to work.

When you first start the saw, it should take some time to grind in the rotating parts. Recommendations on the procedure for transitioning to work at maximum loads can be found in the operating instructions. It also sets out the requirements for the mode of use of the tool, which differs for household, semi-professional and professional class models.

Description

The Shtil 660-ms chainsaw is a professional chainsaw for performing complex, heavy work with hard wood, equipped with a 50 cm saw bar. It can easily cut even such dense types of wood as larch, acacia, hornbeam, birch, yew and others. Designed for work of varying duration and complexity, it can be used for domestic purposes and as a professional working tool.

Distinctive characteristics of the Stihl 660-ms chainsaw:

the power of the two-stroke gasoline engine is 7.1 hp, which is equal to 5220 W;
moderate level of fuel and oil consumption;
ease of use in difficult conditions;
possibility of long-term operation even at low air temperatures;
the saw is as safe as possible to use if you follow the usage technique described by the manufacturer in the instructions;
The chain saw is capable of sawing logs with a maximum diameter of 50 cm or more.

Purpose of the Shtil 660-ms chainsaw:

cutting hardwood (sawmills, forestry enterprises, forestry departments);
processing of fruit trees with large branches;
clearing areas overgrown with wild trees;
construction of wooden structures (sheds, barns, saunas, baths);
if desired, the chainsaw can be used in homemade sawmills - this is evidenced by reviews from owners who have similar experience in operating chainsaws

How to distinguish a fake Shtil chainsaw from the original

There are several factors that allow you to identify the original factory tool from a “gray” saw in a matter of minutes.

Package

Counterfeit chainsaws are packaged in the same boxes as the original ones. However, most handicraft instruments have the same number. Of course, each Stihl product has its own identification number, which allows you to track the country of manufacture, batch number and other information.

Appearance

It is with a thorough external examination that a fake can be identified.

Remains from the mold, poor-quality plastic casting, lack of part numbers - these are the main factors that should make you refuse to purchase such a chainsaw. No manufacturer will release such products for free sale.
The original muffler must have the company logo and serial number stamped on it.
The fake is more faded in color.
The original fuel tank cap, as well as the screws on the back of the tank, bear the company logo.
During the assembly process of a real Stihl chainsaw, star screws are used, while the counterfeit one can be disassembled with a regular flat or Phillips screwdriver.

Accessories

If it is difficult to determine the originality of the chainsaw by its appearance, then you should carefully inspect the components.

If there is a branded instruction, qualitatively translated into Russian, then this is most likely the original.
If the tire has holes for lubrication of the sprocket, it is definitely a fake.
If there are company logos on the protective case and chain packaging, then you are probably looking at an original saw.
If a plastic canister comes with the saw, then it is 100% fake. The original tool is supplied only with a screwdriver and a spark plug wrench with the company’s engraving.

In addition, you are unlikely to find the inscription “Made in China” on a fake.

How much does a fake Shtil cost?

Any low-quality product or an outright fake is revealed by the price. If the price for original chainsaws starts from 10,000 rubles, then for a Chinese copy made in a handicraft way, they can ask for only 5,000 - 6,000 rubles. If you know how to bargain, the price tag can even be lowered to several thousand. Is it really necessary?

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How to choose a chainsaw?

The equipment must perform certain tasks and have sufficient power and maneuverability to do so. You should select equipment with the necessary parameters for these tasks:

Cutting speed;
Safety;
Vibration protection;
Power, weight;
Material, type of chain;
Additional accessories.

You can look at photos of calm chainsaws for a long time, but the choice you have to make is not at all based on the appearance of the device. With the correct selection of the engine, the shape and material of the cutting tooth, and the chain pitch, you can select a tool that has the required speed and optimal performance.

Particular attention should be paid to anti-vibration mechanisms and security systems. The equipment has significant weight, high speed of chain rotation, which can cause the phenomenon of kickback

An inertial brake mounted with a drive guard on the left hand side ensures safe operation of the saw.

In simple models, the role of the vibration-absorbing structure is played by a set of rubber gaskets installed between the body of the product and its handles. Representatives of the newer release are designed on the principle of a counterweight: the motor of the device is distant from the handle to the fuel tank.

Household models of Stihl chainsaws are equipped with low-profile chains with a 0.325-inch pitch. This ensures they operate with the lowest level of vibration. However, due to this design, the equipment has lower productivity. The more powerful tool features 0.404-inch chains.

Particular attention should be paid to the device's headset. Sprockets, chains, and tires of the drive sprocket must be manufactured by the same company, which will ensure their smooth operation

There are narrow, flat, lightweight tires on replaceable heads. The first ones are installed on household instruments, the second ones equip semi-professional models, and the third ones ensure stable operation of professional devices.

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Technical support for branded Stihl chainsaws

The history of the Stihl company begins in 1926, when the production of electric miter saws was launched at the Andreas Stihl machine plant registered in Germany.

Shtil chainsaws are considered one of the most reliable

The first chainsaw, the weight of which exceeded 46 kg, and the power was only 6 hp. pp., was presented to the public in 1929. 90 years have passed since the release of the first chainsaw. During this period of time, many changes have occurred in the company, but one thing has remained unchanged - the excellent quality of the products manufactured by Stihl.

In modern chainsaw production, various innovative technologies and unique techniques are used. Let's take a look at some of Stihl's patented technologies that enhance tool performance and ensure maximum operator protection.

Technology 2 MIX

2 MIX technology allows you to reduce fuel consumption and minimize the amount of exhaust gases. 2 MIX technology means a unique method of purging the combustion chamber with clean air, thanks to which no residual fuel mixture is released into the atmosphere.

Catalyst

A special device called a catalyst burns the remaining fuel mixture in the muffler. Since the heating temperature is too high (about 1000 degrees), the catalyst body has double walls. This protection prevents the tool from heating up during operation and, accordingly, prevents the possibility of burns for the operator.

Please note that the catalyst is not included in the basic package of most Stihl chainsaws presented in the model range. You can purchase and install the device as additional equipment.

Air filter

The Stihl company has developed innovative air filters that are characterized by high wear. Preliminary cleaning is carried out due to centrifugal force, and accordingly, the load on the filtration element is reduced.

The air filter, developed using a unique technique, can be washed under running water, cleaned with gasoline or air.

The main advantages of Shtil chainsaws

Intelligent engine

The intelligent engine system from the developers of the Stihl company has no analogues in the world. The quality and quantity of fuel consumed is controlled electronically; the need for manual adjustment is no longer necessary.

Chainsaws with an installed intelligent engine are easy to start and have a stable crankshaft speed.

Decompression valve

Installing a decompression valve allows you to reduce pressure when turning the starter. The decompression valve must be opened before starting the engine. After the first flash of the fuel mixture, which occurs when the device is started, the valve automatically closes.

Carburetor heating system

As you know, when the temperature drops to negative levels, problems with the operation of chainsaws are observed. At sub-zero air temperatures, carburetor icing occurs. The developers of the Shtil company managed to solve this problem by installing an automatic carburetor heating system.

The carburetor heating system consists of a thermal switch and a heating element. When the air temperature drops to +10 °C, the thermal relay turns on and power is supplied to the heating element.

Electric handle heating system

Electric heating of the handle increases the operating comfort of the tool. This system prevents snow from sticking and ice forming. Models of chainsaws that have a heating system for the handle are marked with the letter “W”.

Standard equipment

Basic equipment includes:

The quickstop brake is a safety device during operation. It can be activated by pressing the front stop with your hand. In case of strong recoil, it automatically stops.
Anti-vibration system. Created to prevent chronic circulatory disorders in the hands.
Condenser for carburetor. A device that reduces emissions and fuel consumption reduces the frequency of cleaning the air filter. The latter becomes necessary only with a significant reduction in power.
Single lever control. Hot, cold start, operation and shutdown are controlled by one lever.
The Ematic lubrication system is created by the special design of the bar and chain. As a result, oil consumption is reduced by half.

Technical features of Stil 660

The professional calm ms 660 has good equipment, which is designed to make everyday work easier in the harsh conditions of the forestry industry. The saw is equipped with:

HD2 filter - for maximum filtration and increased time between cleanings;
decompression valve, which reduces loads when starting the engine;
heated carburetor, for operation in cold seasons;
additional gear stop;
Saw chain brake cover nuts that cannot be lost.

Who to give preference: China or Germany

Despite the fact that the build quality of the cutting tool is almost identical, there are still differences between the saws. The key feature of the Chinese chainsaw is the not very good quality of the materials used in the production process. This is especially noticeable if you compare, for example, air filter housings: Chinese ones are made of cheap plastic and this is noticeable to the naked eye.

It is also worth noting that some chainsaws made in China have the following disadvantages:

the starter spring quickly loses its elasticity, which has a bad effect on retracting the starting cord;
The saw bar does not perform its functions very well.

At the same time, Chinese Calm has a number of advantages:

the price of the tool is lower, and the warranty period is the same.
some models are no longer produced in Germany, for example, Stihl 660, but the Chinese factory continues to produce this widely popular tool and its components.

If you use the saw strictly for its intended purpose, in other words, do not try to cut down wood with a garden chainsaw and maintain it on time, then it is difficult to notice the difference between production in China or Germany.

Interesting Facts

The distinctive features of a fake and an original “Shtil” saw mentioned above will allow you to choose the right tool without overpaying for a “left” copy. However, there is one more subjective aspect by which you can additionally make sure that you are purchasing an original made in Germany.

This factor is connected with the fact that German manufacturers use a unique marketing policy. For example, if a product is sold at a fixed price in a city or country, its price should be identical in other places where the original products of this brand are sold.

Advantages of the “Shtil” MS-660 saw

As a rule, scammers use the same story:

They used chainsaws to pay wages at a construction site or factory.
We bought a stolen shipment cheaply.
It was already purchased, but friends or mother-in-law gave me five more pieces.
You need to drink or urgently need money.
Lots of fakes on message boards.

If you need a chainsaw for a couple of days, and you are not going to cut down wood on an industrial scale, then a fake STIHL MS 660 chainsaw will be very useful to you. The Chinese fake, although of worse quality than the original, is quite capable of “cutting” wood; in ancient times, people coped with more meager tools.

The reason for constant breakdowns is the very low quality of the steel. Seizures in the cylinders come as an option from the factory; there is no point in listing other problems, especially if they make up 100% of the total volume of the product. The minimum that awaits you is replacing the pistons, which is very expensive and will only prolong the agony of this parody of a saw, which was damaged at the factory.

Fake chainsaw Stihl MS 660

The Chinese version of Shtil MC 660 is very different from its original brother not only in technical parameters, but also in appearance. You can evaluate the power and reliability of a Shtil chainsaw only by putting it into working condition.

If this is not possible, you need to pay attention to several details that literally catch your eye

You can distinguish a fake by the air filter cover. It opens with a screw, which in the fake version is located on top. Probably, in this case, the package will not include a proprietary instruction manual.

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Let us describe the characteristic features of the chainsaw that make it stand out from various competitive analogues:

reliability and originality of the original “Stil” saw MS-660;
Autonomous operation, no connection to a power source;
easier starting at any temperature;
stabilization of speed in operating mode and at idle;
high performance of the power plant;
high torque;
maintainability of the chainsaw, availability of spare parts;
possibility of sawing large diameter trees;
protection of the saw from the effects of precipitation;
safety system at height, the brake is activated automatically;
access to the air intake is simplified as much as possible;
effective and simplified fastening of the saw set;
economical lubrication system;
ease of assembly and operation;
single lever control;
improved fuel supply system.
The disadvantages are the following:
high price of the saw;
high cost of components.

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The best premium Shtil saws

The premium class includes professional tools with a wide range of applications. Such chainsaws are actively used in the construction industry and furniture production, forestry and farmland. Premium saws are characterized by productivity and increased service life, power and versatility.

STIHL MS 461

STIHL MS 461 features a 20% reduction in fuel consumption. The MS 461 model is used for sawing logs of various diameters and felling trees.
The device is often used in the construction and furniture industries, landscape design and gardening, as well as for performing a number of works at public utility companies. Users note easy and quick engine starting, since there is a decompression valve and carburetor heating. The functional block is controlled using an ergonomic control lever. Installed rubber springs and blockers reduce vibration levels and reduce the load on the operator's hands.

Subject to certain safety measures, the STIHL MS 461 saw does not pose a threat to human life and health. There are spark-absorbing muffler grilles and a QuickStop emergency brake with chain catcher function.

type of design – manual model;
power, W – 4400;
engine volume, cubic meters cm – 76.5;
tank capacity (fuel/oil) – 800 and 320 ml;
tire length, cm – 45;
weight, kg – 6.6.

reduction in fuel consumption by 20%;
low acoustics;
microprocessor ignition system;
ease of use and maintenance;
Convenient location of the air filter.

requires frequent cleaning of the air filter;
There are many fakes on the market.

Video “Review of the STIHL MS 461 and STIHL MS 661 CM models”

This video presents the characteristics and descriptions of two professional tools.

STIHL MS 661 CM

The MS 661 CM model is not afraid of extreme loads. A powerful and reliable professional chainsaw for performing various types of work in large volumes.
According to the manufacturer, the MS 661 CM model successfully copes even with extreme loads. The advantages of the MS 661 CM chainsaw include a sophisticated anti-vibration system, economical fuel consumption and constant optimal engine power. Users note the safe operation of the device, as well as the easy-to-use oil pump with the ability to regulate power. The MS 661 CM is equipped with an automatic QuickStop chain brake and an HD2 air filter with a polyethylene filter element.

type of design – manual model;
power, W – 5400;
engine volume, cubic meters cm – 91.1;
tank capacity (fuel/oil) – 850 and 400 ml;
bar length – supplied without cutting element;
weight, kg – 7.4.

ease of assembly;
easy launch;
high torque;
simplified fuel supply system;
strong fastenings for connecting the cutting element;
protection from precipitation;
improved access to the air intake.

inflated cost of components.

STIHL MS 880

The MS 880 chainsaw is the best premium model. The STIHL MS 880 chainsaw is the undisputed leader in terms of the number of positive consumer reviews.
This model has an increased service life, copes with extreme loads and demonstrates excellent performance characteristics. The main area of application of the tool is forestry and agriculture. Reliable operation and high cutting quality are guaranteed by the highly productive Rapid Super chain. Improved anti-vibration system relieves stress and hand strain. Operator safety is thought out to the smallest detail. It has an automatic chain brake and side chain tension.

The function of gradually increasing power increases the operating time of the working tool.

type of design – manual model;
power, W – 6400;
engine volume, cubic meters cm – 121.6;
tank capacity (fuel/oil) – 1300 and 700 ml;
tire length, cm – 91;
weight of the functional unit, kg – 10.

high power;
excellent productivity;
versatility of use;
reliability and strength of the case;
convenient control;
anti-vibration mode;
auto brake system.

Which chainsaw to buy for your home: expert advice

The question of how to choose the right chainsaw should be approached based primarily on the tasks that you plan to solve with its help. Gasoline saws differ in a number of technical characteristics, the main ones being the following:

Power. There are chainsaws with power units ranging from 1.7 to 5 liters. With. and more.
Tire type. These saw chain guides come in various lengths (working sizes from 180 to 710 millimeters), widths and thicknesses. The smaller the tire size, the less effort needs to be applied when using gas-powered tools, and the lower the risk of the operating saw rebounding and causing injury.
Chain type. There are high-tooth and low-tooth chains ranging from 0.4 to 0.325 inches. The greater the distance between adjacent teeth, the longer the load the tool can withstand. For occasional short-term work, a gasoline saw with low-profile teeth is quite suitable.

Also, gas-powered tools for sawing wood can be equipped with additional functions, such as chain brake, vibration protection, keyless tension, water cooling, etc.

Based on the parameters described above, chainsaws can be divided into three categories:

Household. These budget modifications are intended for infrequent, low-intensity use. Most gasoline saws in this group are designed for short-term use - about one hour a day. They cope well with pruning trees, occasionally collecting firewood in small quantities, and as an auxiliary tool in various construction works. The length of the tire of budget models does not exceed forty millimeters, the power is 2 liters. pp., chains with low-profile teeth are used, providing minimal vibration impact on the joints. The motor life of household modifications usually does not exceed 500 hours.
Semi-professional. Gasoline tools in this category are designed for more intensive use than household ones. If the manufacturer's recommendations are followed, it is capable of operating on average about 1000 hours before requiring major repairs. Semi-professional saws can be equipped with engines up to 3 hp. s., a standard tire or a lightweight one up to 50 cm in length. If, for example, in addition to pruning trees in your dacha and preparing firewood, you plan to carry out large-scale repair and construction work, it would be good to buy a semi-professional chainsaw.
Professional. This type of gas saw is designed for continuous use throughout an eight-hour work shift. The main areas of use of professional tools are logging and large-scale construction work. The power of such units can be 6 liters. With. and above, the tire length is more than 70 cm. Some models can operate continuously for seventeen hours thanks to the water cooling system of the power unit.

Popular models of Shtil chainsaws

The most famous and popular chainsaw from Stihl is the MS 180 model. This is a simple, relatively cheap chainsaw that is not intended for professional use.

Easy starting system that compensates for engine resistance at the moment of start.
Chain tensioning system without the use of additional tools.
Improved tank caps that prevent self-unscrewing and leakage.

Improved Shtil 180 is marked with the letter “C”.

If everything is clear with the most popular household chainsaw from Stihl, then with a saw for professionals everything is much more complicated. As a saw for felling trees, Shtil offers a wide range of chainsaws, which includes more than ten models of different power and configuration.

Consumers have the opportunity to choose a saw that is optimally suited for solving a specific task, which is why all professional Shtil models are popular. In addition, Stihl is constantly discontinuing outdated models, replacing them with modern ones. All models for professional use that are commercially available today are shown in the photo.

Stihl product range

This company has an assortment of more than a dozen models of different types of saws. The most popular household appliances from this company are MS 180, MS 180 C Ergostart and MS 181. These are ergonomic, convenient equipment that can cope with moderate amounts of work in the country or in the garden.

What attracts the consumer most about these devices is the convenient adjustment of the chainsaw, the high level of safety, low noise, and ease of use.

Model MS 290 is a representative of professional equipment from Stihl. The tool is equipped with a 56.5 cc motor. cm volume with 2.8 kW power. Design features include low vibration and smooth start. The weight of the saw is 5.9 kg, providing it with high stability and maneuverability.

Purpose and technical characteristics

Shtil MC 660 is a chainsaw for professionals. Its price immediately makes it clear that it is intended for those who make money with it, because... it is indecently high compared to the price of household chainsaws. But don’t think that Calm 660 is not worth the money that sellers are asking for it. Buyers pay for quality, high power, huge resource, reliability and unpretentiousness.

The purpose of this chainsaw is specific, because its power allows you to buck the trunks of large trees and work on mobile sawmills such as “Logosol” or “Murka”.

Below is a video about the use of the 660 model calm in a mobile sawmill.

The saw has a power of 7.1 hp and weighs more than seven kilograms. Due to its large weight and power, this model is not advisable to use for trimming branches or during construction work; it is needed specifically for felling and bucking.

As standard, the chainsaw was supplied without a saw set, which means the buyer has the opportunity to choose the required bar length and chain design.

Offers from online stores: from RUB 20,990. up to 21,990 rub.

Advantages: power. after 180 which is already 6 years, this saw cuts itself! no effort, she bites into the wood and has enough power to finish it off!

Disadvantages: the tire is short and the price is still expensive

Comment: I’m completely satisfied with the saw; I bought it for my father to replace the 180, I think it was not in vain that I overpaid!

Advantages: LIGHTWEIGHT, POWERFUL, RELIABLE!

Comment: I thought for a long time which model to choose to replace the old Shtil. I have been using Stihl equipment for over 10 years and am a big fan of this brand. I decided on the 250 model. Frankly, I was pleasantly surprised when I worked with her. What first caught comparison with previous models was ease of operation and engine power. Fearing fakes, I found the 250 model, original German assembly. After two seasons of work, no shortcomings were identified! I was pleased with the purchase! I recommend!

Pros: STIHL. Made In Germani. Excellent starting system without unnecessary buttons, levers and primers. What else to say.

Disadvantages: Opaque tanks for oil and gasoline. Inside the tanks, in the gluing areas, there are disgusting deposits of plastic. It looks scary, like some kind of self-propelled gun (maybe I just came across such a copy, but maybe it’s like that for everyone). After Shtil 180, which worked for 10 years (and now works, but is rather weak and plus a decrease in power over time), a very strong vibration is felt. Perhaps shock absorbers have not yet been developed. We'll see. The first time I was tired of starting it. The reason was an implicit start moment with suction. On the 180 it was like this - I pulled it 3 times, it jerked, stalled, I switched gears and pulled it 2 times and it started. At 250 I simply didn’t notice it and continued to pull it until I filled the spark plug, with all that it entails. Over time, I got used to this inconsistency and there were no more problems with the plant. The exhaust stinks quite a bit. The noise is not childish (compared to 180) Although idling sounds very pleasant. even a little reminiscent of the sound of Harley Davidson////

Comment: Excellent weight. Good power. I'm glad that there is no need to lubricate the tire. I installed a Shtilev chain with a Pobedit (180 chains are suitable) and I’m happy. For some reason, my soul is always inclined towards calm, even with all the shortcomings. Calm is the Best. At first I bought myself a Husqvarna 445 - everything seems to be fine and it starts up perfectly and there is less stink and there is almost no vibration, but the weight is much greater, the sprocket with the clutch outwards (you'll have to worry about changing the chain), a bunch of buttons and levers just infuriated me. Plus it turns off in the other direction than the calm, I was always confused. Sold. I bought a 250. Satisfied. Shtil 250 is an excellent working tool for construction and at home. No more is needed.

chainsaw
power 2300 W / 3.1 l. With.
chain pitch 3/8"
weight 4.6 kg

Average rating of Stihl MS 250 – 4.73 A total of 55 reviews are known about Stihl MS 250

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Other characteristics

If you want to know how to distinguish a fake STIHL chainsaw, you should familiarize yourself with the usual features of the MC-660 model. How to properly put a chain and bar on a chainsaw! Assembly how to distinguish a copy of a stihl 180 from an original how to properly tension a chain on an electric saw how to properly start a stihl 180 video an old chain from. The following are the features of a German-made tool:

Classification group – chainsaw of the highest power for professional activities.
The effective volume of the power plant (cubic cm) is 91.6.
Power indicator (kW) – 5.2.
Motor power (hp) – 7.1.
Weight (kg) – 7.3.
The ratio of mass and power of the unit (kg/kW) is 1.4.
Operating chain type: Oilomatic Rapid Micro at 3/8 pitch.
Tire size (mm) – 500.

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Nuances

If you need a chainsaw that will not often be used in work and is not purchased for an industrial scale, the copied STIHL MS-660 chainsaw is completely suitable. Why the Shtil 180 chainsaw does not start: reasons. Stihl ms 660 how to distinguish a fake chainsaw from the original (real chainsaw on a white background). The Chinese copy, although inferior in quality to the original, is fully capable of processing household wood. It’s not a pity to use the tool for wear and tear, to cut problem areas, etc. You can use various types of gasoline as fuel, and after the unit breaks down, you can throw it in the pantry without pity and buy a similar cheap model.

What is disappointing in this situation is the fact that a fake of the Shtil MS-660 is often passed off as an original at an inflated price. The saw in question is very convenient for copying, as it has an appropriate color scheme and authority among users.

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Rating of the 5 best

1st place in the TOP – chain saw Partner P350 S

Price: 8800 rubles.

This chain saw is intended for household needs, work in the garden or in the country. Also great for people who love hunting or fishing, in some cases needed by travelers.

The engine has a volume of 40 cm³ and a power of 1.52 kW. To start work, the engine is electronically ignited. Fuel is supplied quickly and safely, adhering to the established pattern: the remaining gasoline and accumulated air are automatically released from the carburetor, which occupy a certain place in it.

The starter cable resistance in this device is 40% less when compared with popular models that have undergone preliminary optimization. These features help to launch the device faster.

2nd place – budget McCulloch CS 360 for home and garden

Price 7700 rubles.

Distinctive features

Now to the question of how to distinguish the original, as well as what a fake reveals itself to be.

Focus on appearance. There is no need to verify authenticity in practice.

The manufacturer Stihl itself is aware of the problem of counterfeiting of its chains, and is also doing everything possible to notify its consumers and give them the necessary instructions.

With your permission, I will add a little to what is on the official website.

Package

The logical place to start is by packing the chain. Already from it you can determine whether this is an original or a fake.

The appearance of the box reveals a lot.

Packaging color. The original box is always silver

Here it is important to understand the difference between silver and gray. The reflection effect is a must for an authentic product

For imitations of the original, everything is simpler. These boxes are grey;

The inscription on the box. Genuine packaging has a large inscription with the name of the manufacturing company. This is Stihl. The original always has bright orange letters. The fake is pale and dull and lacks color saturation.

These are 2 characteristic signs that indicate to you that they are trying to deceive you.

But it is possible that the packaging of the fake is made with high quality. Then from the outer shell you need to move on to the contents.

And there are also frankly obvious fakes. These are the ones where instead of Stihl they write Stilh or something else. Grammatical errors are not uncommon in fakes. This is how illegal manufacturers create imitation. They hope that the buyer will not pay attention. This is the problem with cheap Chinese analogues. But Russian illegal manufacturers themselves do this.

So read the title carefully. Remember how the original brand name sounds, as well as how it is spelled. This is STIHL. And nothing else.

Chain

There are several characteristic features that indicate a fake. Or they allow you to recognize the original.

The main thing here is not to become a victim of scammers. If this is not the official store of the manufacturer, then focus on the following points:

The teeth of the original cutting tool are marked with the brand and model name;
If these are products of the RSC and RMC brands, then in the middle there will be a letter C on the teeth;
Genuine instruments have the brand name stamped on each tooth;
In this case, the name is written at a certain angle. It is about 45 degrees;
The counterfeits have a thin font, and there is no slant in the brand name. The teeth may lack the name entirely. But this is too obvious a sign of counterfeit. Responsible underground producers do not allow this to happen;
Counterfeits do not have a laser cut, which indicates the limit of wear of the cutting element;
Look closely at the rivets near the links. If these are genuine products, then these rivets will have a collar near the links. The fake is not equipped with such a belt;
The lubrication channels in the drive links are thinner compared to the original, and they also have an irregular shape. Real chains have thicker channels and a regular shape;
On some fakes, wear indicator notches have a large supply.

This guide will help you make the right purchase, as well as manage your budget wisely.

Conning a Stihl ms 660 saw or having fun in a modern village

There is such a wonderful story by O’Henry “Entertainment of a Modern Village”, many should remember it from the episode of the film “The Trust That Broke” about the adventures of two swindlers, about how even an intelligent and educated (at first glance) person can be caught in his weaknesses . In the story with the farmer, it was an analogue of playing thimbles, but in the situation with me, buying a Shtil saw.

Don’t rush to scold, but there are now a lot of posts on the Internet about how certain elderly people were deceived. They, like me, were blinded by their desires, despite the fact that the swindlers, in turn, were well prepared.

What motivated me? Oddly enough, it was at this moment that I was looking for a saw to replace the one that had broken down for small and unimportant work at the dacha (well, sawing a branch, etc.). Therefore, I didn’t need a serious saw, i.e. Expensive. I don’t understand saws, but I know, I’ve seen that the Shtil technique itself is not bad, they praise it.

Which chainsaws should you immediately avoid?

Let's start with the signs of low-quality equipment, instead of which it is better to take a good ax and a hand saw:

If you see an outright fake of a European brand, do not even pick up such a saw.
Carburetor. If it looks “clumsy”, the joints are uneven, the body is dull, then it is better not to take such a saw. Carburetors on expensive and high-quality units are chrome-plated (shiny). You can come across these (albeit rarely) with inexpensive models. But in general, an indirect sign of quality is neatness, a well-finished surface and the manufacturer’s mark on the carburetor. As well as convenient access to all adjusting screws when assembled, see photo below.


High quality carburetor	Carburetor adjustment

It is safest to buy a chainsaw in those stores or points of sale where there is a “fitting” service. Ask to disassemble the saw (at least remove the starter cover), and then assemble it and start it. If the seller refuses to demonstrate the assembly and maintenance procedures, it is better to look for another point of sale. The starting system parts in all Chinese chainsaws are plastic and this is their weak point. But plastic is different from plastic; some manufacturers equip starters with high-strength polycetal plastic (POM) or a material with similar characteristics. Bearings for special equipment are even made from this plastic, see photo.

Sample part made of wear-resistant plastic

True, visually you can only evaluate the quality of casting and processing of parts, but a “clumsy” and weak-looking starter flywheel will be enough to refuse the purchase. We recommend choosing saws with a soft start system, more about it below.

When purchasing online, along with the description and reviews, there should be a video showing how to remove the starter cover, adjust the carburetor, disassemble and service the clutch, and demonstrate starting the engine.

The sound of the engine - even a chainsaw that has not been run in should run smoothly without gurgling or stalling. If the saw does not start or does not work stably, do not take it. Check the gas tank and oil caps. If they leak, it is not only dirty, but also dangerous. The threads in the lid and neck must be smooth, without burrs or sagging.

Conclusion

Shtil 660 is a very powerful saw that is designed to work in difficult conditions. The original chainsaw is quite expensive. The Chinese analogue is much cheaper, but its characteristics and quality are much lower. If you do become the owner of a fake, then you shouldn’t throw it away right away, because it can also be useful, for example, for preparing firewood for a barbecue or cleaning the perimeter of a dacha.

We invite you to watch a video about a Chinese counterfeit purchased for several thousand rubles. This is a real example of the lengths to which sellers of illegal products go to ensure that you become the owner of a low-quality chainsaw.

Launch of a new chainsaw

The first start of a new or repaired saw should be approached with the utmost responsibility, while following the clear steps of this step-by-step instructions. First of all, you need to prepare the fuel. For chainsaws, namely for their two-stroke internal combustion engine, a special mixture consisting of gasoline and oil is prepared. The octane number of the fuel should not exceed 90; in exceptional cases, this value can be increased - this recommendation is described in the instructions for a particular saw model. At the same time, the use of gasoline stored for more than 2 months is prohibited, since long-term storage may lead to natural causes of tar formation, which will inevitably lead to contamination of the combustion chamber with carbon deposits characteristic of this. The proportion is also regulated by the manufacturer and on average is about 1:40 or 1:50. This means that for 1 liter of gasoline you need to add about 0.20–0.30 grams of oil. Having prepared the fuel in this way, fill the tank.

If the engine is after repair, it is also recommended to check and clean the special channels on the working tire of the chainsaw being started and additionally lubricate the drive sprocket.

The engine start itself is performed as follows.

Set the chain brake to the locked (non-operating) position. This is done by retracting the brake lever.
Close the air supply damper.
Turn on the ignition.
If the chainsaw has a decompression valve, then it must be pressed to facilitate starting.
After fixing the saw, take the starter handle with your free hand and pull it up until it engages with the drum mechanism, and only then makes a sharp, confident jerk on the starter. Repeat this procedure several times until the first flash occurs in the combustion chamber, and the saw starts for a second or two and stalls. Only after this is the damper placed in its original open position, and a restart is made, which should be successful.
When the engine has started, press the knob or button to increase the speed (throttle) to full throttle and release it for stable idle speed.

Cons of Chinese Calm 180

Of course, there can’t be any particular advantages to a fake chainsaw, other than a low affordable price. But a chainsaw is a tool that requires frequent use and must show good reliability. And some too obvious fakes are aimed at short-term work. The main disadvantages of the Chinese-assembled Shtil 180 are:

Poor build quality and motor;
There is no guarantee;
Spare parts from the original Shtil will not fit; you will have to search for a long time specifically for a fake;
Failures are possible, the most critical being brake failure.

The price of the Chinese Stihl 180 is at least two times cheaper than the original; on average, they ask for 6-7 thousand rubles for such a model.

Reviews and prices

The cost of a copy from China does not exceed 3000-4000 rubles.

Alexey: “I accidentally came across a cheap Chinese Shtil chainsaw model 660, got greedy and bought it. But it didn’t work for long—it broke down after a few days. I used no more than 5 liters of gasoline. At the service center they said that this is a fake and there are no spare parts for it, and the original German ones are not suitable.”

Vladimir Borisovich: “I accidentally came across a copy of the Shtil chainsaw made in China at the market. The price was so low that the seller did not even hide its Chinese origin. I bought it for my dacha: it doesn’t require much work, but I still don’t want to cut it with my hands. Over the summer I cut down several trees and sawed them for firewood, sawed off several boards and interfering tree branches.

What happens if you don't follow the manufacturer's recommendations?

If the rules for preparing fuel and lubricant mixtures are violated and the proportions are not observed when adding oil to gasoline with the Shtil 180 chainsaw, the following problems arise:

With increasing friction, the wear of the working surfaces of parts will increase.
Due to insufficient lubricant, the bearings will begin to fail.
The full functioning of mechanical components is disrupted due to premature wear of parts, and their service life is significantly reduced.
When using low-grade gasoline and oils, the performance of the unit decreases with subsequent breakdown of important components and parts.

The fuel is prepared before refueling the saw, avoiding unnecessary contact with oxygen. After finishing the work, the remaining mixture must be drained.

Weaknesses of counterfeiting

With active use, the Chinese calm will begin to crumble over time. In order to maximize its service life, you need to know and promptly change the parts that fail first. For example this:

clutch mechanism;
air filter housing (can be made of plastic or aluminum alloy);
drive sprocket;
starter return spring.

It is better to replace the tire of a Chinese chainsaw immediately after purchase, since it is made of low-quality metal and breaks almost immediately after the saw starts to be used.

Basic faults and DIY repairs

Like all gasoline units, the Shtil 250 chainsaw has basic malfunctions that most often occur with it. Let's figure out what these problems are and how to fix them yourself.

Why won't it start?

Sometimes there are situations when the saw may not start. As a rule, more than 50% of saws that did not start and were taken to a service center did not start due to a violation of the cold start algorithm.

The saw starting algorithm and the reason why the Shtil 250 may not start

The operating instructions describe in detail the process of starting the saw, according to which you first need to press the primer several times, then lower the control lever to the lowest position.

After this, pull the trigger several times until the saw grabs (it starts and stalls for a split second, this phenomenon is also called a flash). Next, you need to move the control lever up one position and start the saw, then press the gas once to set the idle speed.

It starts and stalls when you press the gas - what is the reason?

If the saw operates normally at idle, but stalls when you press the gas, then the reason is either interrupted sparking or air leaks, or the carburetor settings. To find out the exact cause, it is necessary to conduct a complete diagnosis of the chainsaw engine. Information on how to diagnose the engine and carburetor can be found on our website. The same should be done in cases where the Shtil 250 starts and stalls.

Why is it hard to start?

If the saw is difficult to start, but after starting, it works normally, then you should pay attention to the cleanliness of the filter elements. Check fuel and air filter

It is also worth inspecting the spark plug.

In some cases, the saw may have difficulty starting due to the mixture being too rich, which can easily be corrected by adjusting the carburetor.

Starter cord and spring faults

One of the most common breakdowns on any chainsaw is a broken starter cord or a broken return spring. Repairing these faults is quite simple. To do this, you need to remove the starter from the chainsaw (unscrew the four mounting screws). Next, using pliers, remove the stopper from the central shaft of the starter (in some versions, the mechanism is fixed with a screw), and then remove the washer and trigger pawl.

To replace the chainsaw cord, a reel is removed from the central shaft, onto which the cord is wound and the torn element is removed from the mount. A strong knot is made on the new cord, after which the cord from the end opposite to the knot is threaded into the mounting hole on the reel and pulled through it.

Next, the reel, followed by the pawl and stopper, are installed in their places, after which the lace is wound around the reel in a clockwise circular motion. The end of the cord is threaded through the starter body and a handle is installed on it, after which it is slightly stretched and secured with a knot. Thus, it turns out that the starter coil is under slight tension all the time, due to which the handle does not dangle, but is held in its seat.

If it is necessary to change a burst spring, it is convenient to do this after the cord reel has been removed. The new spring is installed with the body facing up. Next, the starter is assembled according to the algorithm described above.

Below is a video about repairing a starter on a Shtil chainsaw. The video is in German, but the procedure is shown in as much detail as possible and, if necessary, it can be repeated even by those who have never dealt with repairing a chainsaw.

Replacing oil seals

Oil seals are a rubber element with a spring that is installed on the motor shaft and protects against air penetration.

As soon as the seals become unusable (over time, this happens on all chainsaw engines, since the seals are made of oil-resistant rubber and lose elasticity over time), they must be replaced, since air leaks into the engine crankcase.

To replace the seals on the Shtil 250 yourself, you will need a special tool with which you can completely disassemble the chainsaw, as well as knowledge of all the nuances of disassembly and assembly.

Main stages of work (removing the carburetor)

The best option would be to watch a training video. Fortunately, there are dozens of them on the Internet. They will tell you everything in detail and professionally. As they say: “It’s better to see once than to hear a hundred times” (in our case, read). Schematically, this process can be written as follows: remove the protective cover, remove the rods and, finally, unscrew the unit to work with it.

Common malfunctions of the Shtil 180 carburetor

Malfunctions that can be solved by repairing the carburetor: It is worth noting that diagnostics cannot always correctly indicate the problem. There are times when the same “symptom” occurs due to different reasons. And sometimes diagnostics can provide false information, as a result of which you will not be able to correctly eliminate the cause of the breakdown.

Pay due attention to diagnostics, but do not overestimate its importance

The tool does not hold idle speed, and sometimes the speed “walks”. Most likely the idle jet is clogged. It is urgent to clean it, otherwise the saw will not be able to perform its functions. Another possible cause is a malfunction of the fuel system.

Sometimes this problem is solved by cleaning the valve that restricts the fuel tank. This valve regulates the flow of gasoline and the passage of air. Do not forget about adjusting the carburetor by changing the volume of air that is supplied to it. You can read more about this operation in the instructions that came with your new chainsaw.

Shtil chainsaw carburetor

, without disassembly, can be adjusted only by the number of revolutions produced at idle. It is impossible to increase or decrease the fuel supply in various modes. Manufacturers have limited access to this adjustment by removing special screws. If malfunctions are detected in this system, it is possible, with experience, to increase the gap between the needle valve and the wall. The saw does not start. The solution is the same as in the previous paragraph.

The tool began to consume more fuel, while its power decreased significantly. Gasoline consumption and power are subjective concepts. To accurately determine these indicators, you cannot do without visiting special companies that specialize in this instrument.

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Well, if these two indicators are visible, then follow these steps:

Check to see if the chain is dull. A dull chain has a lower efficiency, and therefore the saw consumes more fuel.

Inspect the fuel tank. It may have developed minor mechanical damage, through which gasoline is leaking out unnoticed.

Carefully inspect the muffler.

Clean the cooling system and exhaust system.

The unit stalls immediately after operation or warming up. Experts call it hot.

Here are the most common reasons:

Lack of air entering the carburetor. Replace the inlet and outlet valves.
Cooling system failure (overheating). It is possible that foreign objects have gotten into the cold air pipes and will need to be removed.
The chainsaw stalls when changing position. This only applies to tilting to the side; in the vertical state, the saw functions normally. This problem applies even to working chainsaws, because during development the designers made a small mistake. The fuel system of the Stihl 180 has a special design in which, on its side, fuel cannot escape from the tank. Sometimes the problem lies in a clogged fuel pump.

The disassembly procedure, as well as setting up the carburetor of the Shtil 180 chainsaw: In order to carry out high-quality repairs of the carburetor, you will need to remove it. This is not difficult to do, but you need to be extremely careful. To begin with, let's prepare the workplace: install lighting, lay out all the necessary tools. Understand that the carburetor is the main unit of the saw, where the flow of fuel and gasoline intersect. For stable operation they must be cleared of foreign debris.

Therefore, before the main work, you need to do the following:

Remove and clean the muffler.
Make sure there are no problems with fuel supply and combustion.
Check the serviceability of the air and cooling filters.

Adjusting a fake carburetor

Even inexperienced users can adjust the carburetor of a Chinese saw. Just like the original, the fake has three adjustment screws, the designation of which is completely identical to the original. To set up, you will need a screwdriver and an electronic tachometer.

Instructions for use

The instructions for the Stihl 660 chainsaw are found mainly in German models; counterfeits can copy this data and indicate it in their manual. It is said above that a fake will not withstand the minimum load on a sawmill, so use the saw carefully and only for household purposes. Fill in good oil in the right proportions, monitor the wear of parts in a timely manner and adjust the carburetor. This will increase the service life of even an inexpensive Chinese fake.

Basic configuration, equipment, country of assembly and production

The basic package of the stihl 660-ms saw includes:

saw part (represented by a chain, sprocket and bar);
chainsaw body with engine and fuel tank;
owner's instructions;
warranty document, usually found in the manual for the technical device;
chain saw chain tension screw.

On the domestic garden equipment market you can often find analogues or counterfeits of the stihl 660-ms chainsaw model, the documentation for which indicates the country of origin is China. Note that the Chinese analogue of the original Shtil 660-ms chainsaw is not the original. However, taking into account the reviews of the owners of such “copies”, it can be noted that the Chinese copy is quite suitable for everyday use.