Sable 4x4 Diesel Fuel Consumption Reviews • Gas-2217 engines

GAZ 2217 “Sobol Barguzin” 4x4 fuel consumption per 100 km... GAZ-2217 engines

It is necessary to take into account the following feature: the fuel consumption rate specified by the manufacturer was established during testing of the car in ideal conditions. Judge for yourself, the voluminous plastic dashboard was unusual on a domestic truck, where previously painted metal surfaces reigned.

GAZ 2217

Let's take a closer look at the GAZ 2217 - Sobol Barguzin model, including its fuel consumption. Even at the first glance at this car, it becomes clear that not only engineers, but also designers did a great job on it.

The new model turned out to be quite original and noticeable, especially the outlines of its “face” have changed.

The headlights of the main color became larger and began to be made oval. The front part of the body has acquired a higher “forehead”, and the shape of the body itself has become more rounded

. The bumper has also changed visually for the better. And the manufacturer covered the false radiator grille with chrome, which is undoubtedly a huge “plus”, because this not only made it more “pretty”, but also will help protect the grille from corrosion, thanks to this, the service life of this body element will be longer. Also, the design team worked on the appearance of other elements:

• hood;
• wings;
• bumper

Also, the Sobol developers worked hard to ensure that the high fuel consumption of the GAZ 2217 does not upset the car owner. After all, it depends on fuel consumption how much money you have to spend on fuel.

Briefly about the main thing in GAZ 2217 2.5 l

• body type – minivan;
• number of doors – 4;
• engine capacity – 2.46 liters;
• engine power – 140 horsepower;
• injection distributed fuel supply system;
• four valves per cylinder;
• rear wheel drive car;
• five-speed manual transmission;
• maximum speed – 120 km per hour;
• acceleration to 100 km per hour occurs in 35 seconds;
• average fuel consumption of GAZ 2217 on the highway is 10.7 liters;
• Fuel consumption rate for GAZ 2217 in the city is 12 l;
• fuel consumption on the GAZ 2217 per 100 km with a combined cycle – 11 l;
• fuel tank with a volume of 70 liters.

As you can see, the fuel consumption of the car is not very high. Of course, the actual fuel consumption of the Sobol 2217 may differ from the data indicated above. Since they correspond to the passport data of Sobol Barguzin. Actual fuel consumption may depend on many factors not related to the vehicle itself. This includes the quality of the fuel, the driver’s driving style, and the amount of traffic jams on the road if you drive around the city.

GAZ is one of the most famous Russian automobile companies

. Its cars are known not only in Russia, but also far abroad. To ensure that their cars are competitive, the company is constantly improving its products, so when you buy Sable Barguzin, you will receive a domestic car of unsurpassed quality with low fuel consumption.

Gasoline consumption "Sobol Barguzin" 4x4 according to owner reviews Gas-2217 engines

• with a consumption of 6.6 liters per 100 km, you can travel a distance of kilometers
• with a consumption of 14 liters per 100 km, you can travel a distance of kilometers

Sable 4 x 4: reviews • What goals do people pursue when buying a new Sable 4 x 4 car.

Review of GAZ 2217 (2004)

I read the reviews and decided to write. I have owned this unit for 4 years. Before that there were VAZ-21011, 2106, 2107, GAZelle - 3302, 2705, UAZ loaf, Volga 31029.

In 2004 I bought it at the Barguzin showroom, engine 406 carbs, I didn’t dare take the injector, there were bad reviews about reliability, mileage 10 km, gray metallic, low roof, 6+1, price 275 thousand rubles. I took it as a family car. Already in the cabin, the first defect was discovered: the middle door did not close. My brother and I fixed the lock ourselves, dismantled the upholstery of all the doors, filled everything with Movil, additionally anti-corrosive, lubricant, fasteners, well, as usual for our cars. I installed music from the TV, an alarm with a pager, a rear view camera, etc.

First impressions are enthusiastic, the sound of the engine is almost inaudible, not like the Volga with 402 engines, the steering wheel is light, it is still power steering, the interior is large with a table, the seats are comfortable with armrests, you don’t get tired while driving, etc. I constantly traveled 1,700 km south with my family, almost always in one fell swoop. The seating position is very comfortable and your legs don’t get tired. But soon the delight disappeared, and constant breakdowns began. The weakest point is the power steering. The hoses are constantly breaking, once the car almost burned out, fortunately it was standing at a traffic light, the hose burst and oil splashed onto the manifold and caught fire, they quickly put it out. I had to buy a short belt, and in such cases I just put on a short belt without a steering wheel and drove home. The reason for this is the Gur pump. Our pumps do not have a bypass valve, so in extreme steering positions the pressure increases to such an extent that the weakest point tears, and this is the hose. Foreign cars do not have such problems; they have normal pumps. Doesn't the factory know about this problem? Or they don’t want to do anything, they’ll buy it anyway. It's a shame for our auto industry.

The steering wheel constantly jams, the reason is the pendulum, the needle bearing is falling apart. The radiator is plastic, antifreeze was constantly leaking. I went to Yuzhport, bought a new three-row one, the heater pump was also plastic, it was constantly dripping, after a lot of trouble with it, I turned it off completely and connected the hoses directly. The mirrors are like on a gazelle, old style, large blind spots, changed, installed heated ones. The generator is rubbish, very poor charging when the headlights are on, I installed a second regulator from the Volga parallel to the tablet, the effect is excellent. More problems with a weak battery due to undercharging. did not have. Poor tension roller design. Due to the play of the roller holder, it warps and the belt slides onto the side of the roller and begins to separate into ribbons. I’m not even talking about jamming of the roller bearing, so I always keep a spare roller, fortunately it’s inexpensive, it’s helped me out many times, otherwise I would have been left on the road. Therefore, you should always keep a belt, roller and hose in stock.

The suspension is very stiff. I talked to specialists, they say that this is due to gas shock absorbers. Before this I had a Gazelle, its front end is much softer, although there are no springs. Conventional shock absorbers are not suitable, I thought about redoing them, then I decided not to touch them. Changed shock absorbers, ball joints, and rods. The suspension became softer, but after a month everything became the same. Didn't bother anymore. The low beam is very weak, you can’t see anything on the highway at night. The high beam is excellent, but you won’t be able to travel with it for long; oncoming people immediately blink. The headlights are a new type (plastic), you can’t install a 90-watt lamp, everything will melt, I had to come to terms with it. Ventilation is very poor and it is very hot in summer. In the heat there was a smell of gasoline in the cabin. I checked everything, there are no leaks anywhere, there is a smell. Then I found out that the factory mastic, where the composition is like that, starts to smell like that in hot weather. They said it would smell for two years, but in the fourth year it still smelled, although it was much weaker.

There was one problem with the engine: the mileage was 35,000 km, and it rattled in front of the house. I took it to 31 auto plants, they disassembled the entire engine, everything was in perfect condition, put it back together - it works perfectly. So no one understood anything, what was the reason for the roar, they ended up with 25 pieces. After this there were no problems, which cannot be said about the carburetor. You need to constantly wash and adjust. The dynamics are acceptable, but overtaking trucks is difficult. I used semi-synthetic oil, the consumption is negligible. I read in reviews about the speed of 150-170 km, clearly too much. The cruising speed is 120, at 140 the car rocks so much that you immediately take your foot off the gas pedal. Now I have a Sobol 2752 with a 405 engine, I don’t see much difference in dynamics, although it has 140 horses. It eats a lot of oil. I looked through the forums, many have this problem with 405 doors. I removed the valve cover and did additional sealing as described on the forums. Consumption has dropped, but is still high compared to 406dv. Simply due to a poor design, oil is sucked into the intake manifold and escapes through the pipe. Two years later I installed LPG, fuel costs immediately dropped, and acceleration dynamics dropped a little. Consumption in Moscow: gasoline 12-18 liters, gas 14-20 liters, highly dependent on traffic jams, on the highway 9.5-14 and 11-15 depending on speed. Having driven 100 thousand. I changed all the chains and sprockets, although they said that it was still possible to drive, but I decided not to risk it.

It was a pity to sell, because I bought the car from scratch and did everything myself. After the first maintenance I didn’t go to the service again, it was a complete rip-off, you know what the quality of the work is. I just needed a Sable 2752 for work, it’s more convenient to load goods. I wanted to take a Dodge Caravan, but I didn’t take the risk, I thought that it wouldn’t survive on our roads with a load, which I really regret now. I talked to Dodge drivers, the reviews are good, there are no special problems. I took Sobol 2752, 7 seats, engine 405, but the problems are the same: Steering wheel jams, hoses are flying, all fluids are leaking, etc., the list can be endless. Nothing changes at the factory.

I agree with many, the idea is good, but everything was done wrong. Everything rattles, creaks, there are constant crickets, the metal quickly begins to rot, especially the hood - this is the weak point of all cars of the Gazelle-Sobol family. The spare parts are rubbish, there is no guarantee after replacement, you don’t know how long it will last, one day or one year, and the most important thing is that you always have to do something, even if it’s just small things, it still gets you. Therefore, I consider it a mistake to buy Barguzin for 600 pieces. It’s better to take a Hyundai Grand Starex or a Dodge Grand Caravan/Chrysler Town Country; since 2005, their seats have been retracted into the floor, which is very convenient for both work and family. It may be used, but the comfort is completely different.

This is my first review, so forgive me for some confusion.

How long will GAZ Sobol travel on a full tank?

The GAZ-2217 model has been in serial production at the Gorky Automobile Plant since the spring of 1999. A number of cars were also produced in an all-wheel drive version - the Sobol Barguzin minivan with a 4 × 4 wheel arrangement, modification of the GAZ-22177. Previously, there was also a modification of the Barguzin in a “luxury” version of the interior trim (made of higher quality and more expensive materials). It was called "Riviera". Together with the entire large “Gazelevsko-Sobolevsky” family, the GAZ-2217 survived restyling in 2003 and 2010. Since 2010, it has been published without the prefix to the name “Barguzin” - under the name “Sobol Business”.

Line of power units

During its existence, Sobol Barguzin has undergone many cosmetic and technological changes. Initially, the car was equipped with a ZMZ-402 carburetor engine with a displacement of 2.5 liters.

Later, 16-valve engines appeared: also with a ZMZ-406.3 carburetor power system and an injection 406 engine. Both engines were characterized by a power of more than 100 horsepower; there were modifications with varying degrees of boost up to 110 horsepower.

The same power units were installed on the Gazelle.

In 2003, the company carried out a planned restyling, during which Barguzin was not only transformed externally, but also received technologically advanced power plants. For some time, the injection 405 version, which complies with Euro-3 standards, became the main engine.

Since 2010, the minivan has been equipped with a UMZ-4216 engine, and a few months later the manufacturer announced the start of production of the Cummins ISF 2.8 turbodiesel with a capacity of 130 horses.

The line of power units has received a wide variety, but not all developments have found appropriate application and praise from drivers.

What cars are in the described series?

The GAZ company produces many different cars with different fuel consumption per hundred kilometers, namely these

:

• solid metal van GAZ-2752;
• a small bus “Barguzin” GAZ-2217, which has a rear door that rises, and the roof has become ten centimeters lower;
• GAZ 2310 truck;
• GAZ 22171 - a small bus with six and ten seats;
• GAZ 22173 is a ten-seater car, which is often used as minibuses, as well as for any official purposes;
• In the winter of 2010, the plant restyled the cars, and a new Sobol-Business line appeared. In it, many units and components were modernized according to the model of the “Gazelle-Business” series.

In 2010, the company was allowed to install a turbodiesel and already in the summer they began installing this engine on the Sobol business series. A car with such an engine will reduce your expenses on fuel consumption.

As you can see, the assortment of the Sable line is extremely large. Therefore, on many forums, Sable owners share their reviews and post many photographs of these cars. Note that since the line is quite wide and varied, fuel consumption also differs, as do other characteristics. So, for example, in the line there are cars with a 4x4 and 4x2 wheel arrangement. And it is absolutely clear that the fuel consumption of the Sobol 4x4 per 100 km differs from the 4x2 model.

Fuel consumption GAZ-2752 Engine ZMZ-409

GAZ-2310 flatbed truck 4 2 with a load capacity of 0.9 tons, a chassis version with a cab for installing box-van superstructures; GAZ-23107 flatbed truck 4 4 with all-wheel drive transmission;. Fuel consumption is very high, according to the passport 24 liters and this is a lot, but in reality up to 30 liters per 100 kilometers, we are not happy with the cars at all, the price does not correspond to the quality, it is easier to buy a used foreign car for this money.

Disadvantages of the new model – ZMZ-405 engine

• driving style. The consumption of diesel fuel or gasoline increases noticeably if you use a dynamic driving style - sharply accelerate (accelerate quickly), operate the car at high speeds;
• seasonality. In winter, a lot of fuel is spent on heating. Fuel consumption (RT) will also be higher if trips are made over short distances, and you often have to turn off, start and warm up the engine;
• engine's type. Diesel engines almost always have lower fuel consumption, and with the same volume as gasoline power units, they are more economical;
• engine volume. If the engine has a larger cylinder volume, it is more powerful, but, accordingly, it will require more fuel to operate;
• technical condition of the engine and the car as a whole. If there are any malfunctions in the internal combustion engine, the RT increases - if the engine troits, it does not develop power, and the fuel does not burn in the cylinders, in other words, it flies out into the chimney;
• vehicle load. If a car is not carrying cargo, its RT is small; for a loaded car, fuel consumption increases.

GAZelle Next • The car begins to break down frequently, and you have to invest in repairs and spare parts.

Salon

Since the Sobol was built on the basis of the GAZelle, it looks almost identical inside. The article presents a photo of the interior of the Sobol from the current years of production. As we can see, the panel in the car is already from Next. But the seats are still old. The cabin can accommodate up to three people. There are also passenger versions. They are designed for seven passengers.

Among the advantages, it is worth noting only the new panel design and a more comfortable steering wheel. Otherwise the car has not changed. Sound insulation and plastic quality continue to suffer. While driving, the sound of the engine and gearbox is clearly audible (especially on all-wheel drive versions).

In winter, the car is comfortable. The second stove handles the heating. However, in summer it is very hot inside. There is a catastrophic lack of air conditioning. We have to be content with only the hatch.

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Since the height of the luggage compartment is more than one and a half meters, and it is wider than the GAZel one due to the fact that the Sobol has single-pitch wheels and the distance between the wheel arches is increased. However, many owners of commercial vehicles switch their cars to gas despite all the disadvantages of gas fuel; installing LPG is justified, but provided that the Gazelle is used constantly.

All-wheel drive GAZ 22177 “Sobol Barguzin” with “Riviera” interior. • Engine ZMZ-409

Instead of the damping suspension that has already become common on imported classmates, ride comfort is ensured only by the seat cushion itself; this, of course, is a thing of the last century for trucks, including light-tonnage ones. As already noted, the interior of the cargo-passenger Sobol is separated from the cargo compartment by a solid partition, which has a positive effect on the comfort of passengers and their protection from cargo.

"Heart" of Sobol

We call the “heart” of the iron horse its engine - the main and most expensive part of the car, on which fuel consumption depends. The GAZ company installed different engines on its cars at different times. Which ones exactly, read further in our article.

Until 2006, the following engines were installed:

• ZMZ 402 (their volume was 2.5 liters);
• ZMZ 406.3 (their volume was 2.3 liters);
• ZMZ 406 (their volume was 2.3 liters);
• The GAZ 560 engine (their volume was 2.1 liters) was installed upon pre-order.

Since 2003:

• injection Euro two: ZMZ 40522.10 (volume 2.5 liters and power 140 horsepower);
• turbodiesel GAZ 5601 (95 horsepower).

Since 2008:

• injection Euro three ZMZ 40524.10 and Chrysler DOHC, 2.4 liter, 137 horsepower;
• turbodiesel GAZ 5602. 95 horsepower.

Since 2009:

• UMZ 4216.10, with a volume of 2.89 liters and a power of 115 horsepower;
• turbodiesel, with a volume of 2.8 liters and a power of 128 horsepower.

Such a variety of Sobol engines means that gasoline costs for Sobol may also differ. It is thanks to this that the future owner of the car, having familiarized himself with the technical characteristics, including fuel consumption in different situations and with different driving methods, will be able to choose the car that is most suitable for him.

Engine size, its power, body size and the materials from which it is made are not all that you need to pay attention to when buying a Sobol car. Fuel consumption is also an important factor. Because if it is too large, the owner of the Sobol will often think not about the comfort of his movement and his destination, but about how much it will cost to fully fill the fuel tank, especially if the Sobol’s gasoline consumption is very high.

What conclusion can be drawn?... ZMZ-409 engine

• Fuel consumption in the city per 100 km 7.6 l

Reviews of GAZ 2217 2006 Minivan/GAZ 2217

GAZ "Sobol/Barguzin" 2217 2.3 (2000, Minibus)

Manual transmission 2300 cm³ Left New 138,000 km 2000 - 2009 Russia Moscow and Moscow region.

Viktor Korotkov 06/03/2009:

“My little Barguzin has an unusual story.
I myself work in a circus, so I move a lot and always have something to take with me. When choosing, there were not many options, or rather none. At that time, I simply couldn’t find a good commercial vehicle for 5,800 thousand dollars in good condition. So, when purchasing it at a car dealership in Nizhny, I had no doubts. Now about the car itself. On the way to Bryansk the fan sensor blew up. the kind person at the service station simply shorted the wires so that in the May heat the engine would not be damaged. So I drove, with stops to manually turn it off. To the fan's credit, it didn't burn out. I’ll say right away that there is no GAZ service! Personally, during my travels across the country from Bryansk to Tyumen, I did not meet him. Smart craftsmen don't count, there is no SERVICE! I suspect that in Russia it is not available anywhere at all and for other brands. For the first two years, little things annoyed me - disposable silumin door handles (excellent supplier business), a stove that doesn’t heat (I went overboard). A serious one is replacing the power steering under warranty. The Belarusian comrades make them unimportant. And... that's it! After the warranty expired, I installed gas equipment and was as happy as an elephant. The motor runs quietly and smoothly. There is no hassle with the winter start, unlike with a diesel engine and the search for proven gas stations. It is also more profitable to refuel with gas abroad. More about this. I was invited to work in Holland for two winter months. Every day you move to another city, you need to transport a trailer-dacha (circus), plus props 300-400 kg. I took a risk. I thought if it broke there I would leave it. But he didn’t let me down, and what’s more, then in this mode, Norway, France, Germany, he transported me every day. Despite the fact that between tours he was running around on business in Moscow. Almost always loaded and with a trailer! Not every foreign car can withstand such a load. In my presence, Sprinters, Freds, and Vitos broke down. The guys invested a lot of money in repairs. My Barguzin, in spite of envious people, was grinding new thousands of kilometers. Now I use Iveco for work. But there is no time yet to move Sobolka to Moscow, again from October to March 2008-2009 he worked in Paris, this time he used it mainly for shopping. And again no problem! As I said, there is no room for error; if it breaks down, transporting it home is expensive. In general, this car has an amazing fate, good advertising for the plant))). Everything I did in 9 years. 1. Oils and consumables. 2. Guarantee 3. Replace ball joints every 30,000-40,000 thousand. They generally last a long time if you take care of the lubrication. 4. a bunch of silumin handles, now metal. I went through the stove. 5. After 80,000, I replaced the pump and suspension bearing sent by mail, because... I was in Norway. In one day. From the general features. I accelerated to 145 on the new speedometer. now no more than 120 (well))). It's a goat because of the crusty base. Good geometric cross-country ability. In winter it will get stuck wherever possible, you need good tires and a loaded rear. The table in the salon is bullshit, I threw it away. The seats are comfortable. Ergonomics generally deserve praise even after foreign cars, everything is at hand. The body holds corrosion well. On mine the bottom of the doors went, a friend’s sprinter has been blooming like a flowerbed for a long time. Good repairability, parts in any stall around the corner. The main thing is not to fall on the left. A big plus is that you don’t mind using the machine for hard work. I filled it up to the roof with bricks, no problem! We don't steal))). Good for family and recreation, not afraid to break down in the outback. To sum up, for the year 2000, a well-conceived car with not always high-quality execution. Very hardy and unpretentious with basic care. Today it is morally outdated and expensive. Although it is suitable for the outback, not everyone in our country earns millions). So to everyone who wants to take it, don’t be afraid! According to personal observations, the car corresponds to the quality of the parts from which it is assembled. The majority are so-so. All plastics in the interior and the body kit crumble from the sun after 3-4 years. Everything on mine is peeling off. When buying a new one, change all oils immediately! Because of this, the power steering failed on mine! Metallic is preferable; it adheres better to metal. They also took out all sorts of little things, handles, loose screws. Free gas service expandcollapse