UAZ Patriot SUV frame: design features


Purpose and history of the model

This is a utility vehicle with a drive on both axles, with increased cross-country ability, allowing operation on any type of road surface.

In the army it was widely used as a command and staff and reconnaissance vehicle, a light tractor, and for other purposes and tasks.

It was used by law enforcement agencies, in geology and topography, and served as a service vehicle in rural areas, remote, inaccessible areas.

In 1972, the plant launched production of the UAZ-469 in two modifications.

The army model has the following parameters:

  • ground clearance 300 mm;
  • double final drive on drive axles;
  • Onboard reduction gear mechanisms were installed on all wheels;
  • springs made of 9 sheets.

The civilian modification has the following characteristics:

  • ground clearance 220 mm;
  • on the drive axles there is a single main gear;
  • springs made of 7 sheets.

The 469 series used the UMZ 451M 75 hp engine. With. power and 2.5 liter volume, which has good technical characteristics.

In 1985, the Ministry of Automotive Industry changed the designation system for car models - the 469th model began to be designated as UAZ-3151. Truck 469B was renamed UAZ-31512-010.

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Commercial varieties of “UAZ Patriot”

Until recently, in our country, virtually the only available commercial off-road vehicle was the legendary UAZ “loaf” (UAZ 3741) and its numerous modifications.

All-wheel drive Gazelles do not count - such cars are noticeably more expensive, and they are very rare in dealer showrooms.

Now the choice of inexpensive commercial SUVs has expanded - sales of “UAZ Patriot Pickup” and “UAZ Cargo” have begun.

BOTH CARS are built on the chassis of the well-known UAZ Patriot SUV. From a technical point of view, they are not much different from their ancestor - they are based on a powerful frame, under the hood - a 2.7-liter gasoline engine with 128 hp.

, (possible replacement with a 116-horsepower 2.3-liter turbodiesel). Both cars are equipped with all-wheel drive and rigid axles front and rear. However, despite the almost identical design, the intended purpose of these cars is completely different.

History of creation and features

UAZ Patriot Pickup is a domestic SUV in a pickup body with four doors. The first presentation of this car took place at the international motor show in Moscow in August 2008.

It was planned that this vehicle would be in demand among outdoor enthusiasts, as well as those who are interested in fishing and hunting. For a farm, this is a real workhorse.

The factory index of the UAZ Pickup is 23602. In fact, this is a modification of the standard Patriot; a similar platform is used. In the maximum configuration, the car is equipped with central locking, power steering, an audio system, electric windows, heated front seats and air conditioning.

Like the standard Patriot, the UAZ Pickup has a durable frame structure, so it is rightfully considered a classic SUV. In difficult conditions, the all-wheel drive system helps to operate the car. The car is relatively comfortable, has an energy-intensive suspension and a high-torque power plant. At the moment, several configurations are offered:

  1. Classic.
  2. Standard.
  3. Comfort. The modification is complemented by a cooled glove box and an air conditioning system.
  4. Privilege. It is complemented by a parquet of Off Road options and a heated multifunction steering wheel.
  5. Style. The most expensive equipment, complemented by leather upholstery, climate control and a heated windshield.

The functionality and chrome finish will please the driver with good ergonomics. The gear shift knob also received a chrome trim.

UAZ Pickup Patriot always stands out in city traffic thanks to its large headlights with glass lenses, which perfectly illuminate the road surface in conditions of poor visibility.

The car is well prepared for winter use. The heating and air conditioning control system has been completely modernized.

The advantages of the model include:

  • frame structure ensuring high reliability and safety when traveling off-road;
  • a good multimedia system;
  • continuous bridges providing additional safety;
  • single fuel tank;
  • dependent suspension;
  • spacious interior for a pickup truck;
  • high cross-country ability;
  • low percentage of thefts - judging by the statistics, UAZ is rarely of interest to car thieves.

Disadvantages include:

  • high cost even compared to foreign analogues;
  • excessively high fuel consumption;
  • mediocre level of comfort;
  • noisy engine, and here we can add the lack of decent sound insulation;
  • clumsiness and slowness;
  • The engine is weak for such a weight.

Compared to foreign analogues, the UAZ Pickup loses greatly in almost all positions. The overall quality leaves much to be desired.

So different

“UAZ CARGO” is a real truck. In Ulyanovsk, several modifications of this model are produced - a car with a flatbed platform and an awning, a manufactured goods van and a chassis on which the buyer can install any superstructure at his request - from a refrigerator body to a tank or dump platform. We got a flatbed truck for testing.

Thanks to the high seating position, the rear passengers of the pickup truck will not feel uncomfortable.

On both the “Cargo” and the “Pickup” the front part of the cabin is the same as on the regular “UAZ Patriot”.

This is a purely commercial model. It is designed primarily for transporting goods on bad roads in hard-to-reach areas. Only the front part of the cabin was borrowed from the regular “Patriot” - it became a two-seater cabin.

Thanks to the wheelbase increased by 24 cm, it was possible to install a fairly spacious body behind it - it can accommodate objects up to 2.5 m long and up to 1.9 m wide. The useful volume of the tilt car is 6.7 cubic meters.

m, and the load capacity is 800 kg.

In the Cargo body, like in any other truck, there are no hooks or loops for securing luggage. And securely securing the cargo in this vehicle is a prerequisite for ensuring its safety.

Even on a relatively flat road, the car shakes violently, and after a short trip along a road paved by a tractor in the forest, the entire contents of the body were upside down.

The only way to secure luggage is to tie it to the tent frame.

But it looks like you won’t have to worry about the safety of the body itself - the floor of the cargo compartment is made of durable boards. Massive folding sides made of metal profiles also inspire confidence. As practice shows, even when fairly dented by a displaced load, they last almost forever.

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“Patriot Pickup” is a more versatile vehicle. It is designed to carry five people and 500 kg of cargo. Like the “Cargo” model, the pickup truck is based on an extended base.

Only it has a shortened cargo platform and a full-size cabin with two rows of seats. Nevertheless, the cargo compartment of the pickup truck is a decent length - about 1.5 m.

At the same time, the body is protected from scratches and dents by durable plastic that can be easily washed with a hose.

Comparative Specifications

ModelUAZ-469UAZ-469BUAZ-31512
Body typeopen typeopen typeopen type
Total number of doors444
Number of places777
Base, mm238023802380
Length, mm402540254025
Height, mm205020151990
Width, mm180517851805
Minimum ground clearance, mm300220
Curb weight, kg160015401590
Permissible total weight, kg240022802350
Standard tire size8,40-158,40-15225/75R16
Conditional fuel consumption, l/100 km at 80 km/h10,610,610,6
Fuel brand767676
Engine displacement, cc244524452445
Rated power, hp (kW) at rpm 75(55)/400075(55)/400077(56)/4000
Maximum torque, Nm at rpm167/2200167/2200160/2200
Number of gear stages444

Engine

Over the years, engines were installed on the car that had a common ancestor - the GAZ-21 engine. Four-cylinder engine with four strokes per cycle.

The power supply system is carburetor, overhead valve arrangement, liquid-type cooling, inertia-oil air filter design.

Since 1985, carburetor devices K-131A were installed on the car instead of K-129V with a DAAZ starting system and an EPHH valve, which reduced fuel consumption and reduced emissions of harmful substances.

Clutch assembly

Dry, single-disc, friction, with springs on the periphery, hydraulic shutdown drive. A mechanism for damping torsional vibrations is provided.

Gearbox and transfer case

For 4 modes, all forward gears with synchronizers, adjustments are not provided. The transfer case is of a mechanical type, with two stages of transmission of rotational force , allowing the use of an additional reduction mode.

Cardan transmission

Open, consists of two shafts, the rear one is tubular, the front one is a pipe and a solid shaft. The shafts are equipped with movable spline units (straight-sided or involute) and swivel joints on needle-type bearings.

Front and rear axle

Rear axle type - drive, modernized in 1988.

To improve dynamic performance, other characteristics were selected on the main gearbox pair. To increase the reliability of the unit, more effective parameters for the engagement of the axle gears were used. The front axle is a drive axle. The design of the main gear pair and differential corresponds to the rear axle.

Frame and towing device

It is made of two box-shaped steel beams, which are connected by cross members.

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Design and maintenance

The frames of the UAZ-451M and UAZ-452 vehicles consist of two longitudinal stamped beams (spars) of a channel section, connected by stamped cross members. The rear engine mount cross member is removable and bolted to the frame.

Beams and crossbars are made of face metal, the thickness of the beams is 3.5 mm.

The UAZ-451DM vehicle has a frame that differs from the frame of the UAZ-451M vehicle in the location of the rear cross members and the installation of brackets for attaching buffers at the rear end of the frame.

The UAZ-452, UAZ-452A and UAZ-452V vehicles are equipped with frames of the same design, which are not interchangeable with the UAZ-452D frame.

The frame of the UAZ-452D truck has rear cross members located differently and there are no brackets for attaching rear buffers.

Rice. 1. Frames: 1 - UAZ-451M car; 2 - UAZ-451DM car (the rear part of the frame is shown)

Rice. 2. Frames: 1 - UAZ-452, UAZ-452A, UAZ-452V cars; g—car UAZ-452D (the rear part of the frame is shown)

Individual frame parts (spring brackets, brackets for attaching front and rear buffers, etc.) are connected using arc or spot electric welding or rivets.

Maintenance consists of checking by inspection during TO-2 the condition of the longitudinal beams (spars), cross members, brackets, as well as the condition of welded, riveted and bolted connections. It is necessary to promptly touch up the frame in places where corrosion has appeared or a paint violation has been detected.

The frame design is quite rigid and reliable and does not require special care, but when the vehicle is overloaded, or in the event of an accident, distortions may appear in the frame, and bends and cracks may appear in the longitudinal beams and cross members.

Before repairing, it is necessary to clean the frame from dirt, carefully inspect it and identify all defects. The reliability of rivet joints is checked by tapping them with a hammer. Loose rivet joints produce a rattling sound when tapped; such rivets must be replaced with new ones.

If necessary (if the frame loses its correct geometric shape), the frame is straightened in a cold state using devices. It is not recommended to straighten the frame by heating, as this weakens the strength of the metal.

If cracks appear in the frame parts, they are welded using electric arc welding. Before welding, the crack edges must be chamfered at an angle of 60°.

If there are long cracks on the longitudinal beams and cross members, it is necessary, in addition to welding the cracks, to additionally weld the reinforcement applied to the welded area.

The parts are riveted to the frame using heated rivets. The fit of the rivet head to the surface of the part must be tight. A 0.1 mm thick feeler gauge should not pass between the surface of the part and the rivet head.

After repair, the frame is checked for correct geometric shape and absence of distortions in the horizontal plane. The frame width at the front should be 700±3 mm, and at the rear - 1005±3 mm.

Worn holes for body mounting bolts are restored by welding and drilling (hole diameter 11 mm).

The frame is painted upon completion of the repair.

For painting, it is recommended to use auto enamel 123 or alkyd-styrene enamel MS-17.

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Operation and tuning of springs on UAZ vehicles

The UAZ spring is an elastic and guiding suspension element located on the sides along the frame side members. It transfers the load from the frame structure to the chassis system, softens the shock when driving over potholes and bumps. The Russian-made part is suitable for many UAZ models and differs only in the number of sheets and geometric dimensions, which affect the load-carrying capacity of the vehicle.

Car modifications

During production, the manufacturer produced several modifications of the UAZ 31519 car. The UAZ Hunter car was created on the basis of the model. Machine modifications:

  • 315195-071;
  • 315196;
  • 315195;
  • 315194;
  • 315192.

Modifications differ in the power of power plants, the presence of power steering, the number of variable gears and other characteristics.

Spring characteristics

Until 1994, cars were produced with leaf spring suspension; now modifications of the 3151 are produced with springs and leaf springs. In UAZ with indexing 10, springs with transverse and 2 longitudinal rods are installed in the front part, and 3-leaf units are installed in the rear. Tonnage on springs reaches 650 kg.

The dimension of the base between the front elements is 805 mm, the rear - 1110 mm. The front part of the cargo-passenger UAZ has a length of 1100 mm, the width of the rectangular plate is 55 mm. It contains 8 sheets, which are held together by a center bolt and 3 clamps; from below they are attached with a rivet to the last element, from above - they are bent to the first. The thickness of the first plate is 7 mm, the remaining ones are 6 mm. The end of the spring, located at the front, is attached with rubber bushings to the spar of the structure, the rear end is suspended by hinges on the earring.

The length of the rear springs is 1250 mm. On civilian models, such as the UAZ-31512, 7 spacers of 7 mm each are installed on the rear part, in the UAZ-3151 there are 9 of them. They are tightened with 4 clamps. Load capacity has been increased by 200 kg, the rear of the body has been raised.

The front and rear spring mechanisms of the carriage layout are the same in size, interchangeable, and have a trapezoidal profile with parabolic edges. Their length is 1200 mm, the width of the gasket is 45 mm, and the thickness is 6.5 mm. There are 13 sheets in total. They are previously subjected to shot blasting and heat treatment. They are tightened with 4 clamps that limit the lateral displacement of the elements.

Springs with spring suspension are produced at the Chusovsky Metallurgical Plant. A distinctive feature of the part is the stamp on the clamp with the name of the enterprise, the date of manufacture and the quality control department stamp.

The rear 3-sheet part 31512-2912012 is made in accordance with GOST R 51585-2000, mounted on UAZ-31512, 31514-10, 3160 vehicles, also suitable for Hunter and Patriot models.

Spring technical parameters:

  1. Test load: 504.7 daN.
  2. Assembled weight - 16.5 kg.
  3. Total length - 1415 mm.
  4. Estimated length - 1350 mm.
  5. The internal size of the ear bushing is 42 mm.
  6. Material - 50HGFA.

Body, cabin and platform of UAZ-452 vehicles, their equipment

The body of the base model of the UAZ-452 van and the body of the UAZ-452A ambulance and the UAZ-452B bus created on its basis are all-metal, closed, carriage type, with three side and rear double doors, and two rear folding steps.

The cabin of the UAZ-452D truck is all-metal, closed, double, two-door. UAZ-452D trucks have a side wooden platform with longitudinal and transverse wooden bars. The total volume of the platform is 2 m3.

Body and cabin of cars of the UAZ-452 family, general structure.

The main part of the body and cabin is a welded one-piece body. The main load-bearing elements of the system include the floor cross members, side frame posts and roof rails. The connection of body and cabin parts is carried out by double-pole spot welding. In some places, to strengthen and ensure tightness, individual parts of the body and cabin are welded using arc or gas welding.

Inside, the body is divided by a metal partition into a cabin and a rear compartment. The cabins of all bodies have the same design; the design of the rear compartment depends on the purpose of the vehicle. UAZ-452 vans do not have side windows and the rear compartment has no upholstery. The sidewalls are equipped with blinds for body ventilation, and the floor is covered with wooden slats.

The rear compartments of the bodies of the UAZ-452A ambulance and the UAZ-452B bus have side windows with rotating vents. The walls and roof are covered with special cardboard, and the floor is covered with 6 mm thick plywood, onto which 2.5 mm thick polyvinyl chloride linoleum is glued.

Waterproof cardboard lined with vinyl leather, which is highly durable and can be easily removed with conventional detergents, is used as upholstery material for the sides and doors of the body.

In the front part, the roof of all bodies has a hatch to facilitate engine removal. The hatch cover is sealed with a gasket and secured to the body with two screws. There are two holes on the roof of the ambulance body for installing a special sign light and a rotating searchlight.

There is a sliding window in the upper part of the ambulance partition, and in the lower part there are additional openings for installing the rear compartment heater, air intake and air supply. In the back of a bus, the upper part of the partition is missing, and the lower part is similar to the partition of an ambulance.

The bodies are attached to the frame at ten points, and the truck cabins at four points. To secure the cabin, use the mounting points shown in sections A-A and B-B. In the attachment points between the beams of the body, cabin and frame, gaskets made of rubberized fabric are installed.

The cabs of all UAZ-452 vehicles are equipped with two soft folding seats for the driver and passenger. The driver's seat can move along the axis of the car by 80 mm. In the body of the UAZ-452A ambulance there are three folding double seats: two on the left side and one on the right, and one single on the partition of the body. There are flexible handrails on the ceiling opposite each seat. In addition, the body of the UAZ-452A ambulance is equipped with brackets and straps for attaching stretchers.

Equipment for the body of an ambulance UAZ-452A.

The UAZ-452V bus has soft seats for nine passengers. The rear three-seater seat is designed to fold and recline forward to provide more luggage space.

Placement of seats in the UAZ-452V bus.

Loading platform for UAZ-452D vehicles.

The platform is side, wooden, with side and rear opening sides. The front side is mounted on racks to the front beam of the platform base. The side and rear boards are suspended on hinges located in their lower part. The side locks are located at the corners of the side connection and are made in the form of hooks and swivel arms.

The base of the platform is wooden with transverse and longitudinal beams. Assembled with the front side, the base of the platform is attached to the frame side members at six points: at the front and rear - with bolts, in the middle - with stepladders. All four sides are wooden.

The side boards are equipped with wooden longitudinal bars with metal cladding, giving the sides the necessary rigidity and strength. Special brackets are screwed into the upper and lower parts of the front side, which are sockets for the racks of the extension sides. On the side boards, the staples are screwed only in the lower part, and in the upper part, the slots in the longitudinal bars serve as nests.

Brackets and sockets in the beams allow you to increase the height of the sides and install awning arches. At the rear of the platform, on the right side, there is a metal tool box, closed with a lid and a lock.

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How to strengthen

Many car owners strengthen the springs by installing additional sheets. It is performed to increase the vehicle’s carrying capacity, improve driving performance and cross-country ability. Some craftsmen install reinforced parts after old suspensions are deformed and cracks appear when lengthening or lifting the body.

Reinforcement may affect stiffness.

The problem is eliminated by additional springing the springs and installing shock absorbers on the UAZ. When the body is raised higher, the throttle of the gas pedal is adjusted.

Blueprints

When lifting the body and lifting the suspension, in order not to damage the design of the springs, spacers are installed between the axle and the spring. They must be installed correctly, so first determine the installation location, calculate the distance between the middle part of the spring and the support point on the front or rear axle. Before carrying out work, it is better to design a drawing of the spacers.

Strengthening procedure

To repair a spring, you must follow the instructions:

  1. Raise the rear of the car so that the wheels are free. For insurance, install a beam, support or jack.
  2. Remove the wheel.
  3. Unscrew the block cups and stepladders.
  4. Remove the shock absorbers.
  5. The bridge is being lowered.
  6. Dismantle the old assembly, freeing it from the clamps and center bolt.
  7. When repairing spring gaskets, they are disassembled into separate sheets. The elements are sorted taking into account the size of the inserted plates - from small to large. To avoid distortions, the sheets are tightly pulled together and connected with a center bolt.
  8. When replacing a rear or front part with a new one, first try it on, place it in technological bowls on the frame, and support it with a wooden beam so that it does not hang down or jump out during installation. The overlay is secured with stepladders, and the bowls are positioned. The bridge is raised so that the knot sits on the cushions. The wheels are flanged, the bowls are mounted back.

To check the correct installation of the new unit, load the rear of the car, so it will settle into place better. Testing of reinforced parts is carried out at low speed.

Frame number for Patriot

On the side of the frame (on the side of the rear right wheel) there is a license plate stamped on it, which was entered into the car’s passport. The information application area is subject to flooding with water and dirt, causing corrosion. When leaving the factory, the frame is coated with paint, which does not protect the product.

To prevent corrosion, it is recommended to coat the area of ​​the frame with the information text with an anti-corrosion compound. Cars of the 2019 model year do not have an identification code on the frame; a note indicating the absence of information is entered in the vehicle title.

The body number was applied to cars manufactured before June 2016. The information is located on the front frame of the body, located in the engine compartment in front of the radiator. Since June 2016, the plant has abandoned body markings; only the vehicle identification code is indicated in the PTS.

The information is printed on the engine panel and is indicated on an additional sticker located on the central pillar of the body (in the doorway).

Number designation of the frame on the UAZ Patriot.

Additional identification information is the engine number, which is located on the left surface of the cylinder block. To apply markings, a special platform is used, processed in the factory with a milling cutter. The marking indicates additional information - engine model, production site code, configuration option.

Modern modernization

The higher the better

Initially, the dimensions of the future structure and the distance at which the frame will be located from the body are determined. This figure should be within 50-100 mm. The next step involves making a spacer based on the selected elevator height. For this purpose, a special square profile is used. The dimensions of its sides should be 100 mm.

12 blanks are cut from the profile. The height of each product is 120 mm. 24 squares measuring 100x100 mm are cut out of a metal sheet 2-3 mm thick. They are welded onto profile sections. The resulting cubes are irregular in shape. At the ends of each spacer, through holes with a diameter of 10 mm are made. The UAZ 469 frame, like the UAZ 3303 frame, acts as the main element of the manufactured structure. Bolts, nuts and washers are used to secure parts. You can buy them at an auto store.

To prepare the body for upcoming work, you will need to disconnect the battery by placing chocks under the wheels. Unscrew the bolts securing the radiator to the frame. If the UAZ 31514 is carburetor, then disconnect the drive rod. Then unscrew the bolts that secure the body to the frame. To lift a UAZ 469 or UAZ 3303, you will need a jack and wooden stands.

Maintenance

During periodic maintenance of the UAZ Patriot frame, the following actions are performed:


Step-by-step diagram for the UAZ Patriot frame.

  1. Wash the surface of the frame with a stream of water, and then inspect the visible structural elements.
  2. Conduct visual inspection of welds and rivet joints. To determine the density of the rivet installation, blows are applied to the element with a hammer. If ringing occurs or movement of the rivet is detected, the connecting element must be replaced.
  3. Check the condition and tightness of bolted connections. Elements damaged by corrosion must be replaced.
  4. Inspect the towing device and check the functionality of the structural elements.
  5. Assess the condition of the site on which the identification number is applied. Cover the surface with an additional layer of protective material.
  6. Restore the protective paint layer on areas affected by corrosion. Traces of rust are removed mechanically or chemically, and the surface is primed before applying paint.

Advantages of lifting

Lifting the body of the UAZ 31512 SUV has its drawbacks, for example, increasing its center of gravity. Such tuning helps to weaken the fastening of the UAZ 31512 body to the frame, which increases the likelihood of breaking high spacers with a large lever.

The advantages of this modification include:

  • geometric cross-country ability - this factor is important for cross-country ability on uneven terrain;
  • possibility of installing large diameter wheels;
  • providing the possibility of combination with a suspension lift and sharp arches, this allows you to maintain the reliability of various components of the UAZ 31512, UAZ 469 and other models;
  • positive effect on SUV handling;
  • no damage to the driveshaft;
  • attractive appearance of the car;
  • increasing the body height of the UAZ 469 and UAZ 31512, which increases the vehicle’s cross-country ability.

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Topic: How to remove the body from a UAZ

Guys, tell me how to remove the body without hiring a crane?? Can anyone tell me something about this?? Or shouldn’t you worry and hire a crane? and why do you hold the slings if you lift them with a crane??

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

Well, you are dark, with your hands, a citizen, with your hands. Four twelve volt ones do this with ease, and they also consume beer.

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

Can you lift it with your hands?? how many people do you need??

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

building talc is not an option? and straps instead of steel slings.

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

Four people and no need to fuss.

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

The simplest option: One person takes the hijack, jacks up the face or rear first, and substitutes the sawhorse. He does the same procedure on the other side. Then he rolls out the frame - ALL.

Reverse the procedure in reverse order.

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

OK thanks everyone, I'll try it now! With the hijack, I liked it the most, I’ll start with this idea!

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Re: How to remove the body from a UAZ

We also installed the body in four of us. And I filmed it alone! I moved it from the frame onto a 2-wheeled cart so that the center of gravity of the body was approximately above the axle and rolled it with my hands to the far corner of the site.

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